It is working now...what it came down to was winie.js.asp as being cached. wierd, i left the portable for about an hour setting up a test site for the problem and after midnight it worked. It was not loading the winie.js.asp file. I have found this happening before with the insert document., were I lose session state because the poped up window uses an old session.  

 

I could no reporduce the issue with the demo site, nor with other browsers. I know I can change the cashe setting, but I really like to work with the worse case condidtions that a user will have. Sorry about that, it was fustrating. well back to find on how to trap for an on resize of the editor.

 

RC